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Looking for new locations to get my stuff out to the public

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Gotta bring it back! I'm pretty sure NYC is becoming the next Mecca for magic
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Yeah, NYC is a great city for magic

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Everyone associates Vegas with magic no doubt, but I think the bigger association is on gambling, celebrity chefs, and lost dignity!
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I can Definitely see that

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And the magic outside of Vegas has a flavor all it’s own. Especially NYC.
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So many different people from so many different walks of life
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That's just it! NYC is a mysterious beast in and of it self. So when you look at the vast style of mystery entertainment here it is wild that it holds the torch to Las Vegas. Some of the very best in the world host their shows in Manhattan. Including some of those in those chat
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You got it!
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Can you be a good mentalist but bad entertainer? How can you develop entrainment skills?

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Great question!

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Great question, Entertainment skills come from experience performing in front of real audiences.
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That’s why magic can sometimes just be viewed as “tricks” when it actually takes a lot of experience to transform tricks into entertainment
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Yes, absolutely is the answer! Unfortunately there are many people in the field that are great mentalists but not so great Entertainers. I think for me at least was to learn early on that the magic/mentalism comes 2nd! Now let's not use this as an excuse for poor or subpar magic but rather as a way to highlight the importance of the of the interaction between the performer and spectators. Highlighting this in your own performace will most certainly increase the entertainment value!
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Do you watch The Mentalist on CBS? and do you play Magic the gathering?
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I have seen the Mentalist, never really got into it. And no Magic the Gathering for me. Cool game just not my thing
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The movie The Prestige will always be one of my favorites. Leaves you guessing to the very end!
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The mentalist the show I think the character is great and gives an idea of what we do. I think it’s also given a mainstream appeal to the name. Vs magician and illusionist.
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Besides magicians have there ever been any tv or movie characters that have influenced your personality on stage?
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For me i really love reed from criminal minds on certain effects that might resonate with the skill of memory or understanding of reading people.
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RDJ's Sherlock Holmes
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His wit, humor, and charm!
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Growing entertainment skills (to me) comes from being able to connect with an audience. Even more than that...being able to connect on a human level. What we fear, find funny, and makes us sad. It’s not something that can be learned but you can get the ball rolling by going out and taking improv courses, script analysis classes, studying acting. These tools (more than method) allow you to truly exist and own a space I front of other people without even saying or doing anything.
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Have you felt scripting your show or material helps
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And now we, as performers, have so many different platforms with which to showcase our individual messages. While I think a genre such as mentalism is quite challenging to depict on social media...it’s not impossible. The goal though is to have an individualized approach and message. What are YOU saying with your performances?
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I have felt that my show has been scripted organically from performing and real expieriences
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I always have a loose script of what I want to get across. And over repeat performances I find what lands and what doesn’t and I trim the fat. But I never lose sight of being able to harness the things that happen out of the blue and to take those opportunities to connect. The most exciting thing an audience can see is something that feels like it’s happened just for the first time that night. Or day. Or whatever

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While I’m not of the school of learning a script by rote and scripting EVERY word.... I think you need to understand your hook. What draws their attention and makes them watch you? And with what you say (and solely on that) can you keep their attention?
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What we say should support what we do. But I also think what we say should be able to stand on its own.
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I have finally over that last year seen more performances of people in our field I feel that some people have the ability of making a script seem natural and others kind of like reading from a book out loud
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Acting classes.
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The ability to take someone else’s words, internalize them, and make them feel native to your mouth is a skill. And a damned hard one for some. But it’s essential
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Who have you seen that is just a complete artist at it

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But one thing I’m finding a challenge with is portraying mentalism via video format (social media)... Especially when it’s hard to constantly just show reaction videos. I want to just do something for the viewer.

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And not some grey elephant in Denmark BS. 😂

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Lol

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Yea the social media mentalist and I’m a victim of it is the performance is done and all that’s shown is of the revaluation and the reaction

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So you get he last 10%

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I think social media is a great topic to discuss

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Fine for some. But that’s not engaging

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It showcases what we do for clients I suppose. But how does it build/engage/maintain an audience? Oooo cue the hard questions. 😂
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Is insta and YouTube building the community of our business or hurting it

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I don’t think it’s hurting. It’s making people adapt.
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A creative challenge
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That’s how I see it anyway
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I think magic on YouTube and insta are probably some of the strongest watched things on the platforms
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So many times people say my son watches so much magic on YouTube
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Or have you seen this magician do this
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Can u do that
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I should probably amend and say that I’m completely AGAINST buying the latest new visual thing in the shops and doing it on insta. Delicious change is a prime example. Any of the gum stuff.
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How is that original to ANYONE posting it?
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It’s not it’s a hits game

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BUT.....(big but here) it depends on if you’re trying to carve your name out with other magicians or you’re actually trying to engage your audience
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Can it go viral can I get 10k views
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If I see someone else has done it I’m instantly turned off by it unless I have something original to add

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I’m less interested in going viral than I am engaging an audience. I believe success can come from both but sustained can come from engagement
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How many magicians have a large following doing effects that they just got put it on film post it and it goes in a pile with the others

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Well at a certain level of success (followers) I believe people like, comment, etc just to have their name in the ring. So that MAYBE that account will engage them and give them a follow. It’s superficial
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Magician to magician wise

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Justin when was it that you said ok this is what I’m doing for a living and will be my game cause you were on Broadway as well

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But if I’m putting stuff out for a layman audience and they engage - that’s the how

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I’ve never stopped being an actor
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Even doing magic. It’s a character

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It’s an extension of my real self but it’s still a character.
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Why I cant perform for my family it’s so weird being kevin Nicholas for I’m this different persona

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I do whatever makes me feel creatively challenged and fulfilled in the moment. There’s never really been an endgame for me. ...see what I did there? 😜 maybe Disney will monetize me now. Haha
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Hahaha

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Well. To that Kevin I think that it’s fine to (to quote The Jerx) give a peek behind the curtain
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Were never going to convince our parents, siblings, etc that we have these powers. Most of them were around when we first got interested in magic. But they still support our endeavors (we hope) nontheless. So I think it’s completely okay to tailor fit the performance knowing they know it’s a routine we’re working on. Doesn’t make it any less powerful if it’s done correctly
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The question i think all people want to know how did u get started or who did u see perform that as the community says get bit by the bug
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I saw my first trick in a shop off I-drive in Orlando on a fam trip to Disney at 8. And immediately needed to know how it all worked. And then became obsessed.
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You remember the infomercial Larry Anderson jaw droppers
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Then watching Copperfield let me know that I needed to have an air of theatricality behind what I did
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So I got into drama in school
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Haha I do
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Wow. This is a pretty two sided conversation...anybody else wanna chime in?
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😜
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I someone convinced my parents to get it
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I know
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Before the did u make them disappear jokes come
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Hi! Thoughts on the magic castle!
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Great experience for anyone who enjoys magic

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I have never performed there but have gone many times

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I wish it would be more accessible to the public for I go to LA and many people who live in CAli always say I don’t know anyone to get in

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I like the “exclusivity” of it. But anyone can get in if they do dinner

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I love it there

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Your seeing more great shows pop up Justin Willman who had magic for humans on Netflix has a show called the magician at the Roosevelt

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For anyone curious ask some questions

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What is next for you justin

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Do you go back on tour with the cruise ships

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Some projects in the works. Nothing that I can discuss openly because they’re not set in stone.

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Nope based in NYC for good.

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The suspense of that is what drives me nuts

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Just waiting to hear back on some stuff. 😜

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I’m Right now working with the bahamar resort in the Bahamas
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Just did an event for them during Easter weekend and now looks like a multi show opportunity

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I love the magic castle! What a uniquePlace. When you walk in you feel like you’re transported into another world. I had the pleasure of being there just last week.
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That sounds like a great gig man!

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Take an opportunity and see how far you can take it

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Amen

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Glad your back in nyc

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Don't get me wrong we work hard, and our jobs are hard work. But man, am I thankful to get to do what we do every day

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Well everyone I gotta hop off here. Was a pleasure chatting with you as always Kevin. If anyone comes through NYC hit me up on insta @justinjgentry

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Well set it up!

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*We’ll

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Always fun brother

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Sorry your heading out as I'm coming back on Justin
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Lol

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We kind of were saying how magic on social and YouTube is it hurting our art or building it with its popularity

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It's a double edge sword to me

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On one hand it waters the art down but on that same hand it is exposing more and more people to what we do and making them aware that entertainment like this exists.
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U ever find it funny though how people go can u do this or I saw that. But in other art forms you don’t have people being like hey you sing can you sing that Adele song or
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And on the other hand we are growing the amount of interest in the art not just from spectators but also from new future magicians who catch the "magic bug" while at the same time it takes away from the super personal nature of seeing magic in real life

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It’s like people are put under the same umbrella

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Yeah that's a funny comparison, you're right though to a certain degree. You don't see that with other art forms the same type of way you do with magicians
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On that note of being moderator I’m off but can find me and what’s going on with my shows at Modernmentalist.com or my insta @modernmentalist
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Goodtalk message
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I'll leave my info here too reach me on Instagram @DanielNicholasMagic but I'm around a little longer to answer questions or inquires!
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Hit you up on insta. We can DM there
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Hi
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Glad to join you guys on here. Lots of interesting topics you've touched on already. As far as scripting goes, I'm with Justin on this one. I like to always script everything but in practice, I use a loose script to allow me the freedom to be in the moment with my audience. If someone is too robotic with the words and not fully present and engaged with the audience with gaze, tone, and off-script comments, one comes off as distant and rapport is broken. As far as the key words are said at the right time to evoke the desired emotions and thoughts, I'm satisfied. Some guys are able to remember everything word for word and still sound like it's the first time they're saying it and that is amazing! I will say though, on more than one occasion - and I'm sure you've all experienced this - when giving readings or doing anything intuitive, letting go and just being in the moment and saying what comes out is more powerful and allows for interesting and new connections to be made.
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Do any of your believe in supernatural magic?

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I personally do not believe in the supernatural. And that comes from being a hypnotist and understanding how placebos and nocebos work and how easily someone can hallucinate sights, sounds, and even feel things when there's nothing there. I used to believe in such things but over time and the more I learned about the mind, the more my beliefs were proven wrong. I like to think it's better to be open to change your beliefs when confronted with new and opposing evidence, after all that's how we grow and learn. When exposed to all the psychology and science behind what people call supernatural, I have no reason to believe, and even if I wanted to, I can't find one. I do stay open-minded though. If I can be proved wrong under test conditions, I might believe, but that's yet to be seen and honestly, I don't see anyone proving it's existence.
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Mystery is central to what we do. As an engineer and scientist, I believe in energy and the conservation of energy within any system (I.e the universe). This idea is supernatural by definition. Often the demonstrations we provide for our audience are percieved to be something of a higher power, and in a way, it is... Part of the experience for the audience is that they are the ones who are often the designers. If they believe a certain reality based on my performance, I will not deny them that liberty. Whether I believe in it, or not... Well I let you decide ;)
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That's the beauty though isn't it Dan? It doesn't matter what we believe or what is true because what people feel is as real as it gets!
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That's exactly it! And it's a beautiful thing :D
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Mixing magic into mentalism? The more I think about the art and the longer I’ve spent calling myself “a full timer” the less I am attracted to the idea of TWO separate titles for what we do... It’s an unpopular opinion but isn’t t all “magic”?
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I have to disagree. It isn't all magic. Even though mentalism is magic of the Mind, the mindset of the magician is different than that of the effective mentalist. The philosophy is very different and the end goal is different. Maybe I only speak for myself but if I did magic it would conflict with my mentalism demonstrations. At the end of the day it comes down to who the performer is and what character he or she is playing.
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Favorite memory while mastering an illusion?
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I have a student who is 9 years old and today we were working on something new and I clearly saw he was making a mistake and that the trick wasn't going to go as planned. I was especially nervous for him because he had a crowd of people watching him in the middle of Starbucks as well as his Dad, and little sister. Just when I thought we were both DONE FOR he comes out of no where with an ending that blew my socks off and left me scratchinf my head! I guess the lessons I learned today (or just reinforced) are : 1. Don't underestimate anyone 2. There are always more then one path that lead you to the destination!
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What a beautiful moment that is, Dan!! That reminds me of a kid I once saw performing a classic of magic I'm sure you've seen and probably perform called the "Six Card Repeat". I believe he did it on the Penn and Teller Fool Us show... Anyways, for those who don't know what I'm talking about, the trick consists of the performer showing and counting six cards, throwing three away, and still having six in his hands. This is then repeated around five or six times, or until the audience gets sick of it haha. The interesting bit is that most magicians would end that piece by simply doing what they've always done throughout its entirety which is of course showing three and turning them into six. But this kid was different! He ended by turning the three cards sideways and tearing them down the middle the way any muggle would turn three pieces of pasteboards into six 😂 and it was hilarious! Anyways, I find that there's so much for artists of all industries to learn from children and their limitless creativity. That, and we must remember that there's always room for growth and learning. Often times, people let pride and how many years they've been doing something for cloud their judgement when really all that does is stop an further growth. As I've told some of my colleagues on here before, it is only when we empty ourselves of the thought that we know it all that we may acquire knowledge - we must empty ourselves before filling ourselves. It's very inspiring to witness moments like the one you shared Dan. Thank you!
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Haha that is great, and a reminder to us artists and anyone going though a creative process to "break the mold" and think outside the box !
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So, if you could go back in time and do one thing differently regarding your experiences as a mystery entertainer - what would that be?!
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In regards to your question Jess, I'd have to say that my favorite memory while mastering a mentalism demonstration would have to be one time I had my participant bend a quarter in his closed fist with his mind and I decided to add in some hypnosis and Neuro Linguistic Programming techniques for fear removal and I later found out that not only did that cure him of his crippling fear but it also stopped him from commiting suicide that same week... I have never done metal bending demonstrations differently since. It's amazing that what we do has the power to not just change lives or brighten someone's day but potentially save them and it fills me with joy and pride to know that I'm a part of this industry and that I can do that for people.
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And YES I know it's a loaded question because if you changed anything... You wouldn't be where you are today!
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@Dan Great question! And yes, very loaded haha I'd have to say that I'd have started taking it more seriously sooner. But then again, I have zero regrets. What doesn't kill us makes us stronger right? Hahaha
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#noRegerts
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#eatypurspaghettitoforghettiyourregretti 😂
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Stick to mentalism lance 😂
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I know what you're thinking Dan. And no, no I don't.
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How do you guys feel about the subject of disclaimers? Do you think that audiences need to be told that we are not psychic? Or do you feel that they already know or that it doesn't make a difference?
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Can you talk about influencing peoples minds?

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Yes! It's easier than one would imagine to be persuaded into doing something one normally wouldn't. In studying persuasion, hypnosis, and Neuro Linguistic Programming and it's application in sales, marketing, politics, dating, and social interactions, you realize that almost all of our choices are everything but. Our desires can be manipulated in minutes and we can be persuaded to make a decision we normally wouldn't make after the person doing the persuading builds rapport with us and starts using our own psychology against us. I'd advice everyone to learn about body language and influence to become aware of the techniques being employed in us all day in and day out. I would start taking a look at a book titled "Influence: The Psychology of Persuasion".
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any fun life updates?
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What do you all think of Justin Willman and Magic for Humans on Netflix? That show blew my mind!!!
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Fun life updates? Yes! Currently writing a book! I'm super excited about that.
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And I love Justin's work, Hillary! He's so entertaining and funny! But most of all what's admirable about his work is that it's very engaging and relatable and he brings a modern and 21st century freshness to his magic and mentalism. Have you watched the Derren Brown Netflix specials?
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